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Dub or Sub?


Dub or Sub?
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Shannon Wrote:Well, it is. ._. English dubs will never be as good as the Japanese, imho. They have to time their speech according to lip movements, so they can't really say it how it would sound good in English, so a lot of the time the speech is just... blah. There's also the big part about English in general, about how we don't have a formal way of speaking like almost every other language, so a lot easily gets lost in translation!

are you kidding? Sure, you dont hear formal speech in your every day travels, but there is a correct way to speak formally in english. It accounts for useing lots of big words and sounds like your quoting from a great text. But there is a formal way to speak in english.

However, what you point out is not the lack of a formal speech, but the lack of formal words. Much of english is based on emphasis and the general way you SAY the word. We have accented letters and such things that change the way one word comes out, and how the listener interprets that word.

This differs from Japanese because japanese actually HAS formal words. While there is some letter and character emphasis, there are few languages that compare to the pronunciatory complexity of English(say that 3 times fast).

In addition to this Japanese is a gernally faster spoken language, it lacks alot of little things that English retains(such as "I" "you" and "we") which are included in the version of the word you choose. So while the Japanese can fit very "correct" and formal speech into a given frame of mouth movements, English often had to "common" english in order to fit it inot the same amount of time. Formal english is even slower, due to it relying greatly on pronunciation.

Furthermore, words are not timed to lip movements. In older animes, yes, they attempted to flatly redub something in another language. now the actual frames are extended, shortened and digitally altered to math the english voice more correctly. However, I have seen some anime's where even Japanese does not fit the mouth movements. it's as though the mouth was drawn to fit a hybid of timing between English an japanese.


Shannon Wrote:Then look at every other dub in history... Momiji went from absolutely CUTE in Furuba to... sounding like a 15-year-old girl. A lot of the time, I feel like maybe the English voice directors don't *get* the character, or maybe there isn't a wide enough range of voice actors out there to find that 'perfect' fit for roles. But, yeah, I've never really heard a dub I liked. Chi in Chobits sounds like a -retard- in the dub, not a cute little girl. Like, she just sounds plain stupid, like IQ -10.

Actually, I think one dub voice I semi-liked was the one picked out for Kero-chan in the second Cardcaptor Sakura movie. That was pretty right on, but like I mentioned with the language barrier stuff.. when Kero-chan can't say "Wai! Wai!" like a little kid whenever food is involved, I weep inside. Frown

And for kid voice actors... rofl. Look at the voice actors casted for Syaoran and Sakura by KidsWB. I believe they were like 12 or 13 at the time...

http://v1.nelvana.com/cardcaptors/html/m..._14_T1.mov
Mind you, that isn't the Kero-chan I was talking about earlier Confused

I try to listen to dub voices on DVDs, but they're never up to par with the original Japanese.. I guess most of this 'prejudice', if you want to call it that, is in the fact that I'm really familiar with the mannerisms and um... language xD so it just doesn't get better than that for me!

I must, for the record state that the anime's you refrence here are dubbed by companies who are more concered with pumping out LOTS of anime and not interested in ensuring high quality in their dubs. EX: they look at the bottom line(profits) and not the viewer enjoyment.

And please, just refrain from watching KidsWB. It will in the end fry your brain.
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